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RE: The Future of the Champ Class?
i am not a racer but am close to a good motor builder out there and from what i was told was exactly what johny is saying. The teams with deep pocket books will still win. They will switch brands every year depending on who builds the best 600 motor that year. This will happen by these teams buying a couple of motors from each manufacturer and then dyno them and then when they determine which one makes the most power they will run that brand that year. It will hurt the lower budgeted teams because by the time they figure out which one runs the strongest they will have already spent there budget and if they did not guess which brand was the best they will be in the back of the pack! This will drive away the drivers! Stock is the worst form of racing in your premier class.
Change is always going to be not accepted by everyone. Few will quit but if the changes that are made are done for the better for the sport there will be more drivers in the long run. Ice racing has had a mod 600 for a few years now and there are getting to be more of them out there every year. The transition to mod 600s should not be very difficult. Keep the semi pro classes at a 440 for a few additional years to help the pros move some of there old equipment on to new up and coming drivers.
On the last note! How would other forms of racing survive such as your local dirt track or even as big as nascar if they were running stock motors and didnt have the speed and noise that they have.
Good luck and i am sure you as a great form of snowmobile racing will make the right decision.
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glhperformance
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11/08/08 08:09pm |
Ovals & Enduros
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RE: Posting Posting Posting
giggiddy giggiddy
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glhperformance
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10/27/08 07:06pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
With change there will always be confrontation. But if things dont change they will never have a chance to move forward! We live in the best country in the world THE GOOD OLD USA! do you think we would be the number 1 country in the world if we were not always looking for change. change comes in 2 forms. 1- for the good and 2 for the bad but how do you know the outcome if we dont make changes! only time will tell if this was for 1 or 2. This rule was made for the better of the IWA that is why these rules are IWA rules. We have to look what is best for the IWA and its fans and annual paid members. That is what is great about driver run organizations. If you want changes then you elect people who will make these changes. The hood rule vote which was an unanimous decision by the board will not hurt the IWA. Will it make a few people upadate in a few years? YES. will we loose a driver or 2 in the future? YES but drivers will come and drivers will go. But with this new rule it WILL NOT effect anybody here in the west for at least 2 years. OK after this being said lets start working on sleds the first race is only 5 plus months away. It will be here before we know it
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glhperformance
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10/26/08 09:19pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
this is not about getting with your buddys and having a good time. We all can do that at the local practice ponds. This is about putting on a great show for the crowd.Having newer looking sleds helps our organization draw more intrest from sponsors and the new fans in the future.
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glhperformance
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10/26/08 11:14am |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
that is a wedge chasis. the last year they were built with the 600 hood rule is 1998
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glhperformance
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10/26/08 11:10am |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
when was the last time ski doo made a liquid cooled zx. like 2003? that will be 6 years old now. The same is with the gen 2s. Here in the west we only had a few zx sleds and they were all in semi pro and which a zx will be good till 2013 in the semi pro class! The 5 year rule is only for the PRO class and the oldest model sleds in the pro class hear in the west is an edge. I feel our driver here in the west do a good job on keeping current.
Where do you think we are pushing out he little guy? Like i said the older zx or gen 2s are good in semipro till 2012-2013. were can you go race and build a older sled and then race it for 10yrs? I dont know any forms of racing that this happens in except some of the big iron grass draggers and that is only because to make the power they are running 3bangers and they havent made them for years now. SO all in all this rull does not push out little guy.
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glhperformance
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10/24/08 04:55pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
also new mod hood rule
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glhperformance
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10/19/08 05:48pm |
Watercross
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RE: Elmira, by
Thanks to all who went to the east. It is nice to hear that the west finally won 1. Great JOB.
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glhperformance
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09/21/08 09:18pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
Bobby i am just throwing out ideas. Like i said this is something that has to be done right the first time so we dont loose drivers. I really dont think we need a ski stance rule. I think we just need to redefine a few rules. All in all let let semi pro stock narrow there sled up to what they want also. This will be a good for the sport. i think it will have less sinking and better handling sleds. It is a cheap way to make racing better for the crowd. These are just some more ideas.
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 08:00pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
What the whole deal would be is if we are stuck with a 36 inch stance it would not even be worth racing in grantsburg. the N Y rs would win hands down. a narrow sled will spank a wide sled all day long. What i am saying is we need rules that will accomidate both organizations no matter what race we at the rules can apply anywhere. There is no need to say i need to be openminded. As i stated the motor is the spendy part of this change so if someone is going to build a new motor they would not want the class to go away after 1 year. SO all in all we need to get this right the 1st time so we dont have to make any major changes in a year.
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 07:56pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
that would not work if we let the NY drivers run because there sleds are around 26
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 07:27pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
we still want the stock 800 drags to be an entry level class i think. do you think new drivers would want to run against a mod 6. did you see the sled from NY that was a mod 600 dragger. that sled is almost as fast as the best mod 8s. it is not good for the sport doing that. jrs sled is much narrower on the right side then the 18in from center rule. i am not sure about jeffs but if you speak with the guys who run both a stocker and a mod they would rather drive there mod anyday because the turn so much nicer.
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 07:23pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
and if i have a 04 rev chasis and put in a 07 800 motor out of a rev chasis would it still be stock?
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 06:57pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
what i am saying is if stock right now is 36in stance but the new rule states that we can narrow it up as much as we want can it still run the stock drag class?
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 06:56pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
buy the time you spend 2g to get the polaris or doo motor that is out and pay 3g to get it done you would have 5g into it.
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 06:54pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
Maki runs with a semi stock motor. he has some extra add ons on it. so it would not pass for a stock motor. well it will be tough to call it a test class. If a few people go out and spend 5g on a mod motor why would they want to see the class go away. IF this happens it will stay.
If i take a stock sled and narrow the front end up can my sled run in stock drags? Because if it cant run in stock drags i will not run the new oval class.
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 06:45pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
why cant the run the mod 600 drags? i thought there was talk that we would have a mod 600 drags added also for the mod 600 sleds?
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 06:33pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
there will be big tech issues. you are intermixing sleds. stock with mods. where do you draw the lines at? This will be harder to tech than what we have now. If we completly open the chasis up then the stock sleds will not be able to run the stock drags then and there you lose entries. This will need lots of thought.
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glhperformance
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09/10/08 04:15pm |
Watercross
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RE: IWA at Haydays
Hey someone has to wash everyones piss away
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glhperformance
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09/08/08 08:19pm |
Watercross
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RE: 600 mod/ 800 stock rule
i plan on running the class if it is stock or mod. But i am not just joining because it is a mod class.
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glhperformance
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09/08/08 08:00pm |
Watercross
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